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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Tue May 27, 2014 7:52 am

I had a guy tell me once that he would like to participate in local elections, but he was afraid if he switched to Democrat it would end up in his obituary.
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby clark bailey » Tue May 27, 2014 10:39 am

Well after he's dead they'll make him a Democrat anyway...LOL
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Legion » Tue May 27, 2014 11:00 am

clark bailey wrote:Well after he's dead they'll make him a Democrat anyway...LOL


Clark Bailey you just made my day. :lol:
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby upallnight » Mon May 09, 2016 12:14 pm

ScArEcRoW wrote:The Democrat Party of John Kennedy no longer exists.


You didn't have to like Kennedy but he put America and Americans, first. These politicians (both sides), today, do nothing but pander to special interest (money) groups and foreign interests. The American people trail a distant third....it's how and why Trump has so much support.

People no longer trust their own government. It has failed them on too many levels and it has ignored the will (and needs) of America (and Americans) across party lines. You can no longer tell a GOP member apart from their Democratic counterpart (because there is no difference). The only common strands are: keep the money rolling, keep the military spending going, keep foreign interest and special interest groups happy. We find money all of the time for any of these things (we've rebuilt entire countries from the ground up). But for some reason we don't have money to fix our failing infrastructure or secure our borders and ports (especially the southern border).
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon May 09, 2016 1:24 pm

upallnight wrote:
ScArEcRoW wrote:The Democrat Party of John Kennedy no longer exists.


You didn't have to like Kennedy but he put America and Americans, first. These politicians (both sides), today, do nothing but pander to special interest (money) groups and foreign interests. The American people trail a distant third....it's how and why Trump has so much support.

People no longer trust their own government. It has failed them on too many levels and it has ignored the will (and needs) of America (and Americans) across party lines. You can no longer tell a GOP member apart from their Democratic counterpart (because there is no difference). The only common strands are: keep the money rolling, keep the military spending going, keep foreign interest and special interest groups happy. We find money all of the time for any of these things (we've rebuilt entire countries from the ground up). But for some reason we don't have money to fix our failing infrastructure or secure our borders and ports (especially the southern border).


You're right SC. The established Party's no longer represent the American people. You're wrong if you think Trump does. Disregard his rhetoric for a moment and and take a look at who he is. What he has done, what he says and and what his proven interest are.

I get his supporters. They're angry and rightfully so. They follow his sound bites. They hear his words that he will make everything 'beautiful' and believe them. They don't look past the words into the man himself.

Trump is a unearned privileged charlatan. A man that inherited more than $150 million from his father. A very good start for anyone in this society that isn't a complete fool. What could you do with $150 million of your dad's money?

Trump has filed bankruptcy on four of his ventures. Those were corporations that he used the laws made for the wealthy, to run into the ground. Why has Trump contributed millions to Democrat/Republican election campaigns of the past? He admits it was to buy the influence of those he backed. Influence of legislators that passed laws to tip the balance of power to the wealthy, like himself. Can we really believe Trump is a changed man, a Robin Hood for the oppressed, out of work blue collar family?

This is the same man who has said he never asked forgiveness for anything he has ever done! He buys neckties from China for pennies each and sells them to the 'wanna' be rich for big bucks. And he expects the sheepies to believe he is going to 'call China out'. It would be laughable is not so terribly sad. If you can see anything at all past Trump's rhetoric, you can see at least that he is an extreme promoter of 'image'. With him it's not who you are, it's who you project yourself to be.

What angers me about Trump is he knows he is using the anger and frustration of the poor and working poor to advance his personal agenda. I don't support the Conservative right, but I get why they are indignant about Trump's pretenses.

We Americans know our elected have shit on us for decades. Told us a million lies and covered up millions of more to ground their seats of power. We know it's cost us more than just a stable economy. It's cost human lives. Foreign and domestic lives of innocent men, women and children that did nothing to deserve the horror of a bomb, or land mine that left them maimed or dead. It's cost us our sense of morality. What is right and wrong. What is good and bad for our own species, and other species we depend on to balance our earth.

How can I take pride in my country anymore? A country that hires mercenary armies to carry out covert war games. Wars hatched by an immoral cabal of elites that exist solely for the purpose of turning a profit. Profits used to keep their unearned privilege, and enslave maim and murder anyone and everyone opposing it?

So far we Americans have elected the people we deserve. I'm pretty sure we will keep this cycle going until there's nothing left but for the pitchforks to come out. Time and tide changes everything.


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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Political Plague » Mon May 09, 2016 2:48 pm

How can I take pride in my country anymore?


You sound like Michelle Obama. You won't have pride in your country until a Socialist is elected.
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Briscoe » Mon May 09, 2016 3:12 pm

Cate McCalley wrote:
upallnight wrote:
ScArEcRoW wrote:The Democrat Party of John Kennedy no longer exists.


You didn't have to like Kennedy but he put America and Americans, first. These politicians (both sides), today, do nothing but pander to special interest (money) groups and foreign interests. The American people trail a distant third....it's how and why Trump has so much support.

People no longer trust their own government. It has failed them on too many levels and it has ignored the will (and needs) of America (and Americans) across party lines. You can no longer tell a GOP member apart from their Democratic counterpart (because there is no difference). The only common strands are: keep the money rolling, keep the military spending going, keep foreign interest and special interest groups happy. We find money all of the time for any of these things (we've rebuilt entire countries from the ground up). But for some reason we don't have money to fix our failing infrastructure or secure our borders and ports (especially the southern border).


You're right SC. The established Party's no longer represent the American people. You're wrong if you think Trump does. Disregard his rhetoric for a moment and and take a look at who he is. What he has done, what he says and and what his proven interest are.

I get his supporters. They're angry and rightfully so. They follow his sound bites. They hear his words that he will make everything 'beautiful' and believe them. They don't look past the words into the man himself.

Trump is a unearned privileged charlatan. A man that inherited more than $150 million from his father. A very good start for anyone in this society that isn't a complete fool. What could you do with $150 million of your dad's money?

Trump has filed bankruptcy on four of his ventures. Those were corporations that he used the laws made for the wealthy, to run into the ground. Why has Trump contributed millions to Democrat/Republican election campaigns of the past? He admits it was to buy the influence of those he backed. Influence of legislators that passed laws to tip the balance of power to the wealthy, like himself. Can we really believe Trump is a changed man, a Robin Hood for the oppressed, out of work blue collar family?

This is the same man who has said he never asked forgiveness for anything he has ever done! He buys neckties from China for pennies each and sells them to the 'wanna' be rich for big bucks. And he expects the sheepies to believe he is going to 'call China out'. It would be laughable is not so terribly sad. If you can see anything at all past Trump's rhetoric, you can see at least that he is an extreme promoter of 'image'. With him it's not who you are, it's who you project yourself to be.

What angers me about Trump is he knows he is using the anger and frustration of the poor and working poor to advance his personal agenda. I don't support the Conservative right, but I get why they are indignant about Trump's pretenses.

We Americans know our elected have shit on us for decades. Told us a million lies and covered up millions of more to ground their seats of power. We know it's cost us more than just a stable economy. It's cost human lives. Foreign and domestic lives of innocent men, women and children that did nothing to deserve the horror of a bomb, or land mine that left them maimed or dead. It's cost us our sense of morality. What is right and wrong. What is good and bad for our own species, and other species we depend on to balance our earth.

How can I take pride in my country anymore? A country that hires mercenary armies to carry out covert war games. Wars hatched by an immoral cabal of elites that exist solely for the purpose of turning a profit. Profits used to keep their unearned privilege, and enslave maim and murder anyone and everyone opposing it?

So far we Americans have elected the people we deserve. I'm pretty sure we will keep this cycle going until there's nothing left but for the pitchforks to come out. Time and tide changes everything.

if the established parties don't represent us anymore and trump don't either, then who do we vote for? the devil we know over the devil we don't know? we know both parties have gone to hell so i'm trusting trump. if he don't work out then i'll go by my own rules. not any political correct bullshit.
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon May 09, 2016 5:10 pm

If by chance Sanders gains enough confidence to run as the Independent he is, I will vote for him. For one reason only. He has said loud and clear that America needs a political revolution to get to a point that the majority in this country voices are heard. When 50% or less of voters that are registered to vote actually make it to the polls and cast their vote, this means the other half no longer believes their vote means anything. They're right.

The two Party system has failed to represent the American public's interest. Each Party now exist to advance their own party's interest without respect to what the majority Americans want or need. Each Party is controlled by the elite that finance their campaigns. This will continue as long as we Americans put our Party's interest above the interest of the American people.

We need an Independent Third Party to hold the Democrat and Republican Parties responsible to the American peoples interest. Not the interest of the elite, now controlling them. Eventually we will get there, with or without Sanders.


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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Gopher » Tue May 10, 2016 8:32 am

The problem with a third party is that it will either be a democrat or a republican running on that ticket which will give them no chance of winning.
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby GoDan » Tue May 10, 2016 1:28 pm

While a third choice sounds nice it isn't feasable.
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Cate McCalley » Tue May 10, 2016 3:14 pm

GoDan wrote:While a third choice sounds nice it isn't feasable.


If after this election, Democrats supporting Sanders and Republicans supporting Trump could agree to form a third Independent Party with a platform that reforms campaign funding to keep corporate funding out of politicians coffers, reforms foreign intervention and trade policies and balances immigration with economic trade, it would be a feasible and formidable Party.

Based on the popularity of outlying Party candidates in this election, I believe a Party platform that rejects PAC & SuperPac money, advances the Party through building it's own financially independent campaign funding network and gives ballot access for it's proposed candidates state by state, time has come. If not now, within this coming decade. It certainly has a blueprint of how to avoid failure from the lessons of Ross Perot's Reform Party.

Unfortunately the Reform Party wasn't cohesive enough to become formidable before the FEC locked Perot out of the Presidential debates after his first Presidential run. The Party went through so much internal turmoil even Donald Trump considering it for a 2000 Presidential bid walked away, declaring 'the Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani. This is not company I wish to keep. "Mr. Duke" was a reference to David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan.'

I don't think Trump supporters are so much enamored by Trump as they are dissatified with the Republican Party and the overall U.S.A political systems failure to meet the needs of the people of the most poserful country in the world. I believe the same holds true for Sanders supporters. Now if they can just get their heads together......


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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Demon Hunter » Tue May 10, 2016 9:08 pm

We would be looking at 4 parties. Two liberal, two conservative.
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Angry Whiteguy » Wed May 11, 2016 11:05 am

Gopher wrote:The problem with a third party is that it will either be a democrat or a republican running on that ticket which will give them no chance of winning.

The problem with a third party is that it's an automatic gift of the election to the democratic party thereby eliminating voter choice...
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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu May 12, 2016 7:04 am

Angry Whiteguy wrote:
Gopher wrote:The problem with a third party is that it will either be a democrat or a republican running on that ticket which will give them no chance of winning.

The problem with a third party is that it's an automatic gift of the election to the democratic party thereby eliminating voter choice...


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Re: Democrat/Republican

Postby VoteMout » Thu May 12, 2016 8:28 am

It's to late for a third party.
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