Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

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Postby Cate McCalley » Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:11 am

Hillary will be against TPP until after she is elected POTUS. At which time she will use her influence pressing Dems in Congress to 'reach across the aisle' to pass it. None of which will tell the truth about succumbing to the pressure.

Though I don't like The Donald, if Sanders does not win the nomination (and I predict he will not), I will have to vote for Trump. The main reason would be the hope that he could and would kill TPP.

Regardless of MSM's accusation that Trump knows nothing of the TPP because he stated TPP is to benefit China, an examination of Trump's claim proves that he does indeed know China will be a significant beneficiary of the Agreement.

Trump knows the way the Agreement is written will allow the signatories of the agreement to buy cheaper materials from China, such as steel, and other raw materials. For instance with NAFTA a country point of origin must contain 62.5% material from that country to be declared 'made in' that country. With the TPP it effectively reduces it to 35%.

What Trump recognizes and expects is that China will come through the backdoor of TPP with it's cheap supply of raw materials to the TPP's signatory countries. Since China is not a signatory, it is no way bound to the terms of the agreement. An agreement that would allow it to ship parts in small batches of a declared value of $1,000 or less, to TPP signatory countries. In other words China could manufacture 100% of all the parts needed to make an item, ship them in small batches to signatory countries where they would be assembled and sold without any tariff restrictions to the U.S. And other signatory countries, while at the same time maintaining their own tariffs on imports from these countries.

The language that reduces the actual content of products manufactured by those signatory countries to 35%, is found in the agreement that declares the value of exported items from signatory countries, not the cost of the materials used in their manufacture. The value of these imports include assembly, shipping and handling of products, not only the expense of the materials used in their manufacture.


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Postby Angry Whiteguy » Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:50 pm

upallnight wrote:A new study confirms that the TPP will raise wages for American workers and grow our economy. Barack Obama

That's word for word what he said about Obamacare...
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby Gopher » Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:17 pm

Cate McCalley wrote:Hillary will be against TPP until after she is elected POTUS. At which time she will use her influence pressing Dems in Congress to 'reach across the aisle' to pass it. None of which will tell the truth about succumbing to the pressure.

Though I don't like The Donald, if Sanders does not win the nomination (and I predict he will not), I will have to vote for Trump. The main reason would be the hope that he could and would kill TPP.

Regardless of MSM's accusation that Trump knows nothing of the TPP because he stated TPP is to benefit China, an examination of Trump's claim proves that he does indeed know China will be a significant beneficiary of the Agreement.

Trump knows the way the Agreement is written will allow the signatories of the agreement to buy cheaper materials from China, such as steel, and other raw materials. For instance with NAFTA a country point of origin must contain 62.5% material from that country to be declared 'made in' that country. With the TPP it effectively reduces it to 35%.

What Trump recognizes and expects is that China will come through the backdoor of TPP with it's cheap supply of raw materials to the TPP's signatory countries. Since China is not a signatory, it is no way bound to the terms of the agreement. An agreement that would allow it to ship parts in small batches of a declared value of $1,000 or less, to TPP signatory countries. In other words China could manufacture 100% of all the parts needed to make an item, ship them in small batches to signatory countries where they would be assembled and sold without any tariff restrictions to the U.S. And other signatory countries, while at the same time maintaining their own tariffs on imports from these countries.

The language that reduces the actual content of products manufactured by those signatory countries to 35%, is found in the agreement that declares the value of exported items from signatory countries, not the cost of the materials used in their manufacture. The value of these imports include assembly, shipping and handling of products, not only the expense of the materials used in their manufacture.


You are on point Cate!
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:08 am

A very interesting read.

Forgotten History: How American Presidents from Washington to Lincoln Agree with Trump on Trade


http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/26/american-presidents-washington-lincoln-agree-donald-trump-trade/
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Postby ScArEcRoW » Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:39 pm

I think Cate believes we should close all other nations and just bring them here so their is no need for trade.
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby Cate McCalley » Mon Jun 27, 2016 9:32 pm

ScArEcRoW wrote:I think Cate believes we should close all other nations and just bring them here so their is no need for trade.


Maybe we should just declare Mexico and Canada territories and annex them? Lol!


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Postby Gunslinger » Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:19 am

Cate McCalley wrote:
ScArEcRoW wrote:I think Cate believes we should close all other nations and just bring them here so their is no need for trade.


Maybe we should just declare Mexico and Canada territories and annex them? Lol!

Mexico's already here Cate.
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Postby Gurt B Frobe » Tue Jul 12, 2016 2:08 pm

Trump wants to revitalize the idea of Americanism which is not Globalism. Trump wants bilateral trade agreement which are good for Americans and America. The Globalists want trade deals which have language and treaty power to create a global government.
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:19 pm

Gurt B Frobe wrote:Trump wants to revitalize the idea of Americanism which is not Globalism. Trump wants bilateral trade agreement which are good for Americans and America. The Globalists want trade deals which have language and treaty power to create a global government.


Just like NAFTA was the brainchild in the making for several years during of the H. Bush Administration, and passed under the W. Clinton Administration, so it will be with the TPP Agreement. It doesn't matter one iota which Party is at the Administration helm when the time comes for the straight up and down yea or nay vote, it will pass.


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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:12 pm

As much as we would all like to turn back the clock to 1958 we can't. It's impossible. Societies and their economies evolve, increasingly in competition with one another for economic survival.

Globalism is a part of that evolvement. It's here to stay. We cannot go back to bi-lateral trade agrrements. We had one with Canada before NAFTA. Recent studies have shown more Mexican immigrants leaving the U.S. Than entering. The reason is they are finding out our economy is in no better shape to offer them a better future than their native Mexico. To that extent, NAFTA has worked. The price we have paid has been too great.

Technology, which was supposed to replaced manufacturing jobs was offshored to other foreign countries, right along with manufacturing. In the form of expanded HB-1 Visa's that replaces the higher paid skilled professionals with foreigners willing to work for much less.

Pandora's box has been opened. We can't push her back into it. The best 'we the little people' can do is elect people to office that are committed to protecting our national soverienty and currency. We must reject wholeheartly trade agreements that removes immigration powers and trade laws from our Congress and places it into the hands of a Global Tribunal.

We must reject unfair trade policies that continually add to our national debt. The laws to do this are effectively on the books. They are not being enforced because foreign money is flowing into the coffers of our electorate. Over turning Citizens United is essential to getting foreign money out of our election campaigns. Until this is accomplished no amount of protest will clean up our corrupted Congress and Administration.


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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby Cate McCalley » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:38 pm

Hillary Clinton has promised, within the first thirty days of her Presidency, to push for an Amendment to the Constitution that would overturn The SCOTUS Citizens United ruling that has opened coprorate floodgates of unlimited campaign financing to candidates running for political offices.

I don't see such an Amendment ever materializing. Yet hope does ring eternal.


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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby upallnight » Mon Jul 18, 2016 7:37 am

Cate McCalley wrote:Hillary Clinton has promised, within the first thirty days of her Presidency, to push for an Amendment to the Constitution that would overturn The SCOTUS Citizens United ruling that has opened coprorate floodgates of unlimited campaign financing to candidates running for political offices.

I don't see such an Amendment ever materializing. Yet hope does ring eternal.


Your so gullible Cate! She isn't going to bite the hand that feeds her.
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby GoDan » Mon Jul 18, 2016 12:00 pm

I have some Pokemon cards to trade lol.
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Re: Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement - PASSED 60-38

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:35 pm

Cornbread wrote:
Canada PM says ready to renegotiate NAFTA with Trump


https://www.yahoo.com/news/canada-pm-trudeau-says-ready-renegotiate-nafta-trump-165713892.html


'Thirty-four US states rely on trade with Canada, which supports nine million American jobs, while exports to the United States represents 20 percent of Canada's GDP.'

Yes. They are pissed off about the country of origin lables on meat. They would love to get that renegotiated. With 9 million American jobs at stake, there's a good chance they will get it.

What do you think will happen with TPP?


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