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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:46 pm

I'll be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the shooter was on psychothropic medication! Along with 95% of other school shooters.
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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:33 am

GFunkMoneyDog wrote:I'll be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the shooter was on psychothropic medication! Along with 95% of other school shooters.


Ok. Let’s assume that’s the case.

How does this answer the overall ever increasing numbers of men, women and children that die every year in this country from domestic terroristic gun violence? 11 school shooting since January 1, 2018. The stats aren’t yet available for the number of murders and injuries nationwide with firearms, so far this year.

What percentage of the homicides that will occur nationwide this month, will be attributed to the use of pyscotrophic medication? The U.S. has 10 times or more domestic gun fatalities year after year, than the combined democracies of all our European allies, that have imposed common sense gun ownership laws.

Most of these deaths would be prevented by common sense gun legislation. Like instant background checks and ownership transfer registration.


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:07 pm

Most of these deaths could be prevented by not prescribing psychothropic medications to children.
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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:27 pm

GFunkMoneyDog wrote:Most of these deaths could be prevented by not prescribing psychothropic medications to children.


There may be some studies available to support your opinion. I haven’t seen anything that suggest that psychothropic drugs account for 10 times the violent deaths in our country than all of the other democracies in the world combined.

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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:46 pm

Another mass school shooting in Coral Springs, FL. So far more than 20 injuries and fatalities of an unknown number reported.

I’d really like to know if people on this forum still believe there’s no correlation between mass gun proliferation and mass shootings?


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:05 pm

NBC, CBS, CNN confirm law enforcement says 17 were killed at the Coral Springs FL high school this afternoon. Fatalities top Columbines.

The shooter, Nicolas Cruz a 19 year old that was expelled for smashing windows and starting fights was injured, taken to the hospital, treated and released to police.

I’m so glad I no longer have a child in school. It must be awful to have to see you child off to school, wondering if it will be the last time you see them.


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby PharmGirl » Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:54 am

It's been confirmed that the FBI had been warned about You Tube comments the shooter made regarding being a professional school shooter.
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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Feb 15, 2018 12:33 pm

PharmGirl wrote:It's been confirmed that the FBI had been warned about You Tube comments the shooter made regarding being a professional school shooter.


You left out the part of the story of the FBI acting on the information passed onto them. Five months ago a guy in Missouri saw the comment, sent the local FBI a screen shot and was interviewed by the FBI. He didn’t have anymore info, other than what was on YouTube to give them.

The First Amendment guaranteeing free speech, allows anyone to say anything they want on any media platform. Unstable, irrational, immature, angry people make subtle and bold threats 24/7 in every way possible on all kinds of platforms and circumstances.

If the FBI is responsible for investigating every threat, the FBI would be the largest agency in government. Kids in primary school would have to begin training to work for the FBI to meet future agency demands. We know that was Adolf Hitler’s idea to support his Third Reich, when he mandated and inducted Germany’s school children into Nazi Youth groups. They were the Reich’s future Brown Shirts, SS and military.

The local community knew Nicolas Cruz was a serious threat. He was expelled from school for smashing a window and picking fights. It’s no different now than it’s been for centuries. The local community is responsible for identifying and providing solutions to both it’s civil and uncivil threats. Not Federal Agencies.

State and Federal agencies can enforce laws that State and Federal legislators have made. They can provide local agency funding and man power assistance to help identify and resolve community civil and uncivil threats. What neither can lawfully do is violate American citizens constitutional guarantees of freedom, like free speech. Even when speech is used to spread patently false conspiracy theories, or expresses bad intentions.

Pharmgirl, you infer at minimum the FBI failed to prevent this school shooting. Or maybe you’re floating another conspiracy theory, inferring the FBI could have used the Missouri guy’s tip to cultivate a other school shooter, as evidence of a ‘false flag’ for a gov'ment gun grab?

Our CIA, FBI and Homeland Security agencies have all testified and turned over concrete evidence that Russian operatives are busy using social media to undermine their agencies, and our national security. Unlike the POTUS that remains silent and refuses to acknowledge Russian operatives undermining our democratic institutions, I happen to believe them.


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:57 pm

Correction; The guy who alerted the FBI about Nicolas Cruz posting a wanna be ‘professional school shooter’ comment on YouTube was from Mississippi, not Missouri.


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:16 pm

These are the words POTUS tweeted about yesterday’s mass killing of school children;

“So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed”

In a press conference with Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, after Novembers’ mass shooter in Sutherland, TX extinguished the lives of 26 people attending the First Baptist Church Sunday Service, the POTUS explained “Mental health is your problem here.”. He went on to clarify “We have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. But this isn't a guns situation,”.

So....why did the POTUS sign H.J. Res. 40, essentially ending the Social Security Administration's requirement to identify receipients of mental health benefits, and enter their names into the National Instant Criminal Background Check database?

This database helped the FBI with background checks that determine who may be eligible to legally purchase and possess firearms, from those that are disqualified. Yet one of the first things the POTUS did upon taking office, is effectively end that help.

Anytime a person’s background check turns up a history of violence including domestic abuse and mental illness, or a felony conviction they should not be permitted to legally purchase or possess or have easy access to firearms.

We all want safe schools. We all want to keep lethal weapons out of the hands of those who would kill us and our children without provocation and valid reason. And we all know ordinary sane people don’t kill others without justification. Even hired assassasins justify killing for monetary gain. We all can put an end to this insanity, but not without the help of those we elect to public office.

We cannot expect help from a POTUS that admits mass shootings are a mental health problem, and in the same breath proclaims it’s not ‘a gun situation’. That’s like saying the aggressor of domestic abuse has a mental problem, but it has nothing to do with the escalated ‘violent situation’ that enabled the abuse.


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:02 pm

opensecrets.org list all known NRA contributions exceeding $200 or less from individuals, PAC’s and soft money organizations since 1990. Excluded from the $200 Million+ contributions the NRA has made to political campaigns, are monies from 527s organizations contributions. These are tax exempt organizations that contribute to other political organizations boosting their political campaign contributions.

Though we have no way of knowing how much 527s organizations have contributed supporting NRA political efforts, it shouldn’t surprise to anyone to learn that over the course of these years, 83% of the NRA’s known political donations have been made to Republican Party candidates and their campaigns. 83%. More than four fifths of every campaign dollar the NRA has contributed goes to elect Republicans.

So often we hear how Democrats in government want to undermine our second amendment rights and confiscate our guns. Anytime any elected Democrat dares to even whisper the need for common sense gun laws, NRA sponsored Republicans start screaming constitutionally second amendment rights to the top of their lungs and gun sales go through the roof.

If I really want to know the source of a problem a municipal government is having that prevents it from delivering safe drinking water to it’s community, or a Federal government that can’t keep it’s citizens safe from mass killers, I need only to follow the money.


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby upallnight » Sat Feb 17, 2018 8:47 am

If the FBI followed up as it should have this could have been avoided.

Your a typical liberal Cate. Blame the gun and the NRA.
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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:06 pm

upallnight wrote:If the FBI followed up as it should have this could have been avoided.

Your a typical liberal Cate. Blame the gun and the NRA.


It isn’t ‘liberal logic’ blaming ‘the gun and the NRA’ when it’s clear the NRA contributes four out of every five of its’ political campaign dollars, to Republican candidates.

Republican candidates using our constitutionally guaranteed 2nd Amendment rights, for NRA funded fear spreading campaigns of a ‘gov’ment gun grab’ conspiracy, every time anyone speaks ups to point out the correlation of mass gun proliferation to mass murders weilding semi automatic weapons in our society.

The result? Gun sales go through the roof, giving gun manufacturers lots more profit to strengthen their NRA brainchild. What business needs to bear marketing expense, when they have an ‘independent’ organization doing it for them?

And no, the FBI didn’t fail to do it’s job in this most recent mass murder. Voters keep failing to do their job to elect representatives that can offer more than ‘sorry about your luck’, my prayers are with you’. Elected officials that really do give a damn and are willing to do what is right to protect our present and future society from further violent corrosion.


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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby GFunkMoneyDog » Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:15 pm

Cate McCalley wrote:NBC, CBS, CNN confirm law enforcement says 17 were killed at the Coral Springs FL high school this afternoon. Fatalities top Columbines.

The shooter, Nicolas Cruz a 19 year old that was expelled for smashing windows and starting fights was injured, taken to the hospital, treated and released to police.

I’m so glad I no longer have a child in school. It must be awful to have to see you child off to school, wondering if it will be the last time you see them.


The shooter was on psychothropic medication.
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Re: Sandy Hook

Postby Cate McCalley » Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:07 pm

I saw where Broward County Mayor Beam Furr, said Cruz had been in counseling program for three months awhile back, but hadn’t gone for counseling for more than a year. No mention of psychotropic drug therapy. I haven’t seen any mention about mental health treatment other than this article.


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